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This topic is about that political ideology (that I don´t share and never will accept it) in Metal bands, always been bands that are treat how is them practice that ideas in their lyrics because they use lyrics or for their costumes.

I want to know that bands are really nazis and which not, and this topic was born about the Aerian Rage demos, because one friend that I have in USA told me about this band and his political ideologies (even the fact that I consider their demos really great)
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Hey So What if Bands Sings or Looks Like Nazis Couse That Never Botherd Me at All Well Sometimes But Not All the Time But Sometimes the Gimick Gets Annoying after A While But Still Do Not Judge a Band By Their Looks or Lirycs if You Know What I Mean
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AERIAN RAGE wasn't nazis according to this thread: http://www.sacredmetal.de/board/viewtop ... =18&t=9001
Should be some info about it in the CD booklet to.

However, bands have always tried to shock you with all kind of things, the Nazi image was one of them.
If you put swastikas on the scene you will for sure get some attention :).

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Strappado wrote:AERIAN RAGE wasn't nazis according to this thread: http://www.sacredmetal.de/board/viewtop ... =18&t=9001
Should be some info about it in the CD booklet to.

However, bands have always tried to shock you with all kind of things, the Nazi image was one of them.
If you put swastikas on the scene you will for sure get some attention :).


Yeah, i guess that could be the case with a lot of these bands. Another shocking image...
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Politics, religions and ideologies shouldnt have a place in metal. Metal is about banging your head, drinking some alcohol and enjoying damn good music. If bands choose to have messages in their songs its up to the fans whether they take those messages seriously or not. And fans should not be judged by the political stances of the bands they like. Music is a about the sound and feeling of enjoyment it conveys not about picking a side in society.
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anyone knowing anything about gargoyle and their song "Aryan Diplomacy"? after reading the lyrics i can't figure out if this is anti or pro...
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analoguerogue wrote:anyone knowing anything about gargoyle and their song "Aryan Diplomacy"? after reading the lyrics i can't figure out if this is anti or pro...


"It's the Aryan way stand with pride wait for the day
When the filth that surrounds us shall no longer stand in our way (...)"

It's just way more stupid and silly than most of the metal lyrics...

But I couldn't go to metal concerts (especially festivals) any longer if I'd still take care about some contents in metal lyrics and masculine demeanor ....

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You're being ignorantly selective regarding the quoting of Gargoyle lyrics, that is hardly all that is said in the song.

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Lots of people go on about it only being about the music, that politics, ideologies etc. should not be involved. I don't know if this is about avoiding conflict or what sort of logic lies behind it, because the mind of an artist will frequently be linked to their art, obviously, and ideologies and affiliations are a huge part of one's personality. Thus such things have been associated with various forms of art rather prominently throughout history, so why should metal music be any different?

In general NS ideals in music are of no interest to me, whether I would be bothered by it to the extent it would decide whether I listen to a band or not is case-specific.

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to the poster that said (paraphrase) - metal is all about head-banging, beer-drinking, etc - I don't agree at all. Sure, I enjoy the fun "Hail To Metal" track, but that gets boring after a while. I love songs about history, politics, war, religions, satan, evil, darkness, life, emotions, fantasy, and many other "serious" topics. I don't always agree (of course not) with a lot of songs, but still, I enjoy listening to them and I don't mind hearing a different point-of-view, doesn't mean I have to agree.

Specifically about nazis - many bands have written songs ABOUT the Third Reich/Nazism, without glorifying it. If a band writes a song that has a thoughtful point of view from a pro-nazi standpoint, then that's fine with me - I may disagree with it, just as if a band writes about a pro-Marxist song, but if a band writes simply a "Heil Hitler, kill the Jews" song, then it's just as boring as a "Hail Mao, he's our hero" song.

Metal should be about everything interesting in life and an intelligent listener isn't afraid of hearing a different viewpoint than his own, if it's well presented and not simply a simplistic jingle.

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I'm absolutely indifferent about Nazi-WhitePower metal. Because in real life Nazi sucked biggest dik as possible in 1945.
But i don't like black metal with clear anti-christianity. Because war against christian civilization is in process. And christianity now much more
close to disaster , that my country ( USSR ) in 1941. And i always was dissapointed why so much crying about some single White power bands
when we have thousands of black metal groups ?
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I have to agree with Witchcross, heavy metal has a tradition of "confrontational" or "outre" lyrical content and hand in hand with that, a tradition of being unapologetic about whatever may be offensive to others. It's hard to defend a band with satanic, christian-baiting lyrics while condemning an NS themed band with race-baiting lyrics (although I feel like an immigrant has a greater chance of being harmed by a group of racists than a christian has of being harmed by a group of satanists.) To me it's almost the same thing, you are singling out another group for ridicule and possible violence, but part of this music deals with the frustrations you feel in everyday life and sometimes the release of those emotions can be dangerous. Most metalheads (regardless of political views) are intelligent enough to know the difference between letting off steam and doing something stupid.

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I feel that most of the anti-christian stuff in metal isn't really about the human beings who now are indoctrinated in the religion, but more about the sinister underpinnings of the religion itself. Many places (just take Norway since we're talking blackmetal) it was introducted brutally and wiped out the local pagan cultures. And the leaders continue to use it as thought-control and other things. So I am completely on board to an anti-christian feeling but I don't care to kill christians or anyone else. It's the basic premise that is wrong, and the people that follow it are just following many centuries of tradition and it's not so easy to reject your own traditions, especially when you feel attacked by other traditions/peoples/religions.

Since those pagan times, for worse or better, European/American/Russian civilizations since this time have been built upon this religion, so it's a part of us, like it or not, and when some Islamonuts declare war on it, it gives rise to mixed feelings in an agnostic such as myself. On the one hand, I believe both religions are based on lies. But on the other hand, my culture has been based upon it, totally out of my control, and I don't care for my culture to be replaced by Islam or any other, unless (speaking ideally) it would be replaced by scientific reason and logic, but that doesn't seem likely, unless there is an Earth Surak in the waiting, lol ...

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Witchcross, you bring up a great point, and I should acknowledge that, yes, most anti-christian metal lyrics are about simply rejecting christ in favor of satan. Blackmetal really brought those kind of "war now" lyrics to the table. I was comparing anti-christian lyrics to NS lyrics to illustrate that lyrics in metal songs are and should be challenging, and that the sentiment of violence against another is common in heavy metal.
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so-called "national socialism" - what is it, really? Is it a political philosophy, a form of fascism? Is it a pagan-worshipping philosophy, glorifying Siegfrieg, Wagner, Odin and other Norse/pagan gods? Is it an anti-Semitic/rascist/Aryan philosophy? It could be all of these things or just one of them ... IMO there's nothing wrong with a person honoring their heritage - here in the USA it is "wrong" for a white person to say he is proud of being white and proud of his European ancestors, ancient cultures. But if you are black, hispanic, etc - then it's perfectly ok to run around screaming about how great your culture is. To me, that's a big double-standard which causes a lot of resentment! Whites can be proud of their culture but if they write a song about it, it's called "nazi" by some - that's wrong. Of course if they write a song about killing some group of people, than that's totally different.

My point is that sometimes being proud of your European heritage is confused with being racist/nazi/etc - and some bands just write about their own culture - nothing wrong with that!

BTW, I don't listen to any pagan/NS bands - this isn't because of the lyrics, but because I don't care for the "black-metal" style vocals. If Gamma Ray would write pagan themes on their next album, I would love it, lol!

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Right, I would say that often people unfamiliar with the culture of heavy metal see guys with spikes and leather singing about the glory of the homeland and jump to conclusions. I am really into black metal. I love Enslaved and Gorgoroth, Burzum etc, and I am about as far from racist as you can get.
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witchcross wrote:to the poster that said (paraphrase) - metal is all about head-banging, beer-drinking, etc - I don't agree at all. Sure, I enjoy the fun "Hail To Metal" track, but that gets boring after a while. I love songs about history, politics, war, religions, satan, evil, darkness, life, emotions, fantasy, and many other "serious" topics. I don't always agree (of course not) with a lot of songs, but still, I enjoy listening to them and I don't mind hearing a different point-of-view, doesn't mean I have to agree.

Specifically about nazis - many bands have written songs ABOUT the Third Reich/Nazism, without glorifying it. If a band writes a song that has a thoughtful point of view from a pro-nazi standpoint, then that's fine with me - I may disagree with it, just as if a band writes about a pro-Marxist song, but if a band writes simply a "Heil Hitler, kill the Jews" song, then it's just as boring as a "Hail Mao, he's our hero" song.

Metal should be about everything interesting in life and an intelligent listener isn't afraid of hearing a different viewpoint than his own, if it's well presented and not simply a simplistic jingle.


Is very interesting your point of view, even the fact that I not agree with that ideology, I think is different when the theme is in an historical, dramatic context, etc. (I like the documentals about WWII because I know more about that time) than from a context like "Death the jew scum because the sick the world" and crap like that. In the first case, is more interesting from me because are more seriously in the lyrics (I not pretend to be a guy that only listen bands with serious lyrics).

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I agree with previous posts . But ( according laws of most Central and West european countries ) - everybody can go to jail with accusation of " national - socialism " propaganda. Or of antisemithism or anti-homosexualism .But no any charges for satanism or brutality.
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sulzer wrote:I agree with previous posts . But ( according laws of most Central and West european countries ) - everybody can go to jail with accusation of " national - socialism " propaganda. Or of antisemithism or anti-homosexualism .But no any charges for satanism or brutality.


Right, But in America We Can Get Away With Stuff Like This, But in Some Contries It's Against the Law to Sing About Nazism, But Yet Bands Did it for Shock Only, Then There is the NS Black Metal Bands Wich Sing About Nazism, But Some of Those NS Black Metal Bands are Located in Norway Wich is Also Where the Genre Originated from, Wich i Don't Think Norway Has a Law Against Nazism, Do They?
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Good thread right here.

Personally, I don't listen to or purchase NS/WP music because A) I would rather not support that sort of ideology/behavior in the metal scene, and B) most racist music isn't even all that good.

As far as the whole issue of "using Nazism for shock value" is concerned, I think it's a bit silly and could badly backfire on a band. I agree with Witchcross's point about the difference between singing ABOUT something and advocating it.
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